In the wake of the shooting of commie bitch Renee Good, an age old argument has erupted on “the right”, because what passes for a right-wing in America has nothing better to do than tear each other apart over minor issues while our enemies are ascendent.
The latest squabble is not over Israel for a change but the role of law enforcement. This is a conversation that usually devolves into a predictable pattern. One side “backs the blue” no matter what and the other calls them “bootlickers”. Shouting ensues and nothing is settled.
As noted the trigger for the recent round is Renee “Finally A” Good “Commie” and ICE in general. ICE is an arm of Federal “law enforcement” and that whole category is pretty screwed up.
I am on record having nothing but disdain for the ATF as an organization even as the individuals I have met that work for the ATF were decent guys. The FBI is so politically corrupt and mostly exists to entrap people and then claim they “stopped a crime” that it is irredeemable and ought to be disbanded.
ICE? I wish the organization didn’t have a purpose and could be closed but of course it does have a purpose and of all of the various Federal law enforcement organizations it has one of the few legitimate functions. From the Department of Homeland Security website:
United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE)
ICE promotes homeland security and public safety through the criminal and civil enforcement of federal laws governing border control, customs, trade, and immigration.
Controlling the border in concert with the United States Customs and Border Protection (CBP) is a legitimate and necessary function of the Federal government. If I were in charge we wouldn’t allow many foreigners to come here even to visit and the southern border would be guarded with a ten mile buffer zone into Mexico with landmines and auto turrets.
If regular Americans could enforce immigration law with, um, “extreme prejudice” we wouldn’t need ICE but we can’t so we do.
As for ICE and the current enforcement efforts, which I find so tepid as to be almost laughable but to many are LITERAL NAZISM, one of the pseudo-libertarian talking points is that Americans shouldn’t have to show their papers in order to move about the country.
It’s just silly. We already have to “show our papers” but in the form of a state issued photo ID, most commonly a driver’s license although most states also issue a non-driving photo ID as well.
It is pretty tough to get along without a driver’s license…..
- Want to drive a car? You need a driver’s license.
- Want to fly on a plane? You need a driver’s license.
- Want to buy a six pack of beer? You need a driver’s license.
- Want to purchase a firearm from a dealer? You need a driver’s license.
- Want to open a checking account? You need a driver’s license.
- Want to start a new job? You need a driver’s license.
- Want to enter a courthouse or many other government buildings? You need a driver’s license.
- Want to vote in many states, at least the sane ones? You need a driver’s license.
That is just a sampling. Most of us have our license where we can get to it readily. We need to have identification pretty much wherever we go.
As an aside, this doesn’t apply to the Amish as they (supposedly) don’t drive. Our local banks allow them to open checking accounts without photo ID, probably a violation of one or more Federal laws. They also don’t collect that information on an I-9 for new employees at their shops which is also against the law but no one bothers them about it. I think they get around the I-9 thing by not formally hiring other Amish and considering them “contractors” or something. Anyway….
I wish we lived in a high trust nation where we didn’t need to have ID on us that we produce on command. We don’t and so we do.
That brings us to the practical question, the one that normally isn’t considered by the people screeching about bootlickers. What is the plausible alternative?
The bitter reality is that we have tens of millions of people illegally living here and the vast majority of them to the point of being practically speaking 100% fall into a relatively predictable range of dark black to lighter brown. I don’t know what the reasonable alternative is other than jailing people who hire illegals and that doesn’t seem to have much traction. The other “option” is doing nothing and just surrendering.
We could just round up every mestizo and deport them all without asking for proof of citizenship I guess?
It has taken us decades, from 1965 to today, to get where we are. Decades of politicians nodding and winking about “enforcing immigration law” while doing nothing about it. Add in the various “refugee” laws and the ridiculous idea of birthright citizenship and our country is overrun with people that are not American in any historically recognizable sense and that never will be American, and yet they live in America and leech off actual Americans.
We finally have some very minor political will to do something about it and many of the people who are supposed to be on “the right” are mad because ICE is making questionable people show ID, just as all of us have to do on a very regular basis. All of the libertarian pipe-dream bullshit is nothing but political porn without a secure border and control of who is actually living here.
I understand the sentiment, I truly do, but we are in the final stages of an invasion that has been taking place for most of the last half century and we do not have half a century to fix it.
Will the current milquetoast ICE enforcement push do anything to reverse course? Certainly not. With Trump’s second term one quarter of the way over and a looming electoral bloodbath in the fall, we would have needed to deport 10 million people already to make a real dent. The damage is already done with many states already majority mestizo and younger generations being decidedly brown and black.
Just because the end result is inevitable doesn’t mean we shouldn’t do what we can to push back, just as long as we understand that we aren’t voting our way out of this.
There are plenty of things to be pissed at the government about, first and foremost allowing us to get into this state of affairs in the first place, but making some mestizos show ID isn’t anywhere on my list.
Excellent observations, Arthur. We can all wish things were not as they are, but they are, in fact, what they are and we must operate in reality. That’s one of the things that separate us from the commies. I don’t like federal law enforcement any more than I like federal laws. However, we need our country cleaned out.
If Juan has been here legally his whole life and has to show an ID to prove it, tough. Until I can walk through an airport and walk onto the plane with nothing more than a paper boarding pass, I don’t want to hear any whining from the browns about how they are oppressed. Suck it up or GTFO.
I argued years ago that the core of dissident politics is being reality based, dealing with the world as it actually is instead of how we wish it were.
Deportation IS the moderate choice
Amazing to me that so many seem to be willfully obtuse on this. It’s going to get sorted one way or the other and as is always said, your skin is your uniform.
Too many people are still terrified of being called racist
and/or “anti-semitic”®©™
You’re spelling it wrong. No hyphen from now on, you ignorant bigot!
The ADL says so.
https://www.adl.org/spelling-antisemitism-vs-anti-semitism
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It all started at Chappaquiddick.
Chris (CIII)
When the festivities begin in the fUSA I will deliver the deportation message at 3200 fps.
JCancers,
FUSA needs many more Patriots of your mindset.
And if the first message doesn’t get through, keep sending until they do
The surname “good” is commonly-used by the AsheNAZi tribe. That’s a hint btw for a Psyops.
Thank you Mr. So DO.
“AshkeNAZI showed up for a 2nd attempt as “Ashenazi”. Whatever. đź‘€
I’ll try for a 3rd attempt. If it doesn’t commit, then I’ll give up.
The surname “good” (and any other compound-word containing “good” like Goodman or Goodson) is/are commonly-used by the AshkeNAZi tribe. That’s a hint btw for a Psyops.
You MUST examine their surnames. I can identify them because I possess a gift with linguistics. I can point out all of them, AND their physiognomy. They don’t like being identified.
I’ve been reluctant to post because my expertise is accurate. Learn your spatial IQ.
As you mentioned with the winky wink and a nod, if the pols. were serious about solving this problem, they would cut off aid, arrest employers and end stupid birth right citizenship. The best they can do is arrest the criminals so your daughter isn’t raped. The truly amazing thing is how the general Libtard has no problem with the thievery and fraud and their daughters all changed their sex so no prob. there.
Wait a minute … you are asserting that the Amish don’t need valid ID? You danced around that. And you expect us to accept it?
A bit of trivia on the Amish that I learned from a funeral home director. The Amish don’t get a social security number. However, when they die, the funeral home has to apply for a SSN for them in order to report their death to the government.
That isn’t true, every Amish person I know has a SS number and they all file taxes which of course requires a SS number
The information given to me from the funeral director was from a couple of decades ago, and I am sure it applied to the older generation at that time. I don’t doubt that the newer generation have SSN as they are probably getting assigned when the birth certificate is filed. I recall that I didn’t get my SSN until I was probably 10 years old, but when I had kids they had one automatically assigned to them at birth.
How does one get membership in this libertarian society?
I didn’t dance around it, I came right out and said it.
I am a proponent of a De-Militarized Zone extending south from the fUSA border into Mexico for ten miles.
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This DMZ is irregularly carpet-bombed every few weeks to reduce facilities for shelter and food/water.
Perhaps an explosives or mining scientist could verify the impact on tunnels, although, admittedly, a Stone-Age culture producing a >ten-mile excavation using primarily landscaping implements would be quite the feat of low-IQ engineering.
I am all in favor of that as well
“I wish we lived in a high trust nation where we didn’t need to have ID on us that we produce on command.”
If you research The Treaty of Versailles, you’ll find that drivers’ licenses, passports, SS# (SIN# for “”British”” Commonwealth plantations), and Birth Certificates began in concert with the League of Nations© by ((them)) because ((they were the ones ensuring that ((they)) were present, whispering in the ears and giving secret instructions for the GENUINE-European delegates. (And the League of Nations IS a corporation courtesy of Rottenchild and Retchedfeller.)
It was ((their)) method by which ((they)) could keep tag ((their)) “cattle”. Before the League of Nations ™, Europeans could freely move around from country to country, unimpeded, because Europeans were/are genetic relatives and Christians…..and thusly, high-trust. They didn’t need to HIDE their identities. The method by which they identified themselves was with the use of “son of”. That’s why we have names like ThomSON.
Examples: Cnudsen or Knudsen (Danish for son of Cnut);
O’Mara (Irish for son of Mara);
McDonald (Scottish for son of Donald);
Pritchard (Welsh for son of Richard);
Petroviç (Croatian for son of Peter);
Petrovich (Russian for son of Peter);
Luigi de Pietro (Italian for Louis, son of Peter);
Ulrichsohn (German for son of Ulrich);
FitzGerald (French for son of Gerald).
When Europeans traveled FREELY, they would identify themselves with something like: “I am Declan Farquharson from the clan of Farquharson in the Firth of Forth.” And THAT was your “driver’s license” or “passport”.
If bad cop Jo Jo Brandon and HIAS didn’t let in 30 million CPUSA (D) dependents we wouldn’t need ICE?
Good cop Moshe Trumpstein (MIGA) will clean it up?
Voat moar harderer.
Dumbass “leaders” will only get dumber until it wipes out?
If y’all are waiting for the grubber mint to solve your problems…
you are probably not a real American.
What is your plausible solution to the invasion?
The problems being bantered were caused by gov’t Incompetency and Irresponsibility.
To expect the gov’t to correct the problems they created is, well, retarded.
It is not possible unless the I and I is corrected first and that is not being done.
So, given that fact, what is to be done?
BTW, if you REQUIRE or ALLOW the gov’t to correct the problems they created you will get more of the same but much, much worse.
Lovely situation, no?
“We could just round up every mestizo and deport them all without asking for proof of citizenship I guess?”
Yes please!
Take the protests, block them off, put them in shipping containers, fly them to Yemen.