The war in Ukraine is heading toward the inevitable endgame and the signs are all pointing toward the West losing interest and leaving Ukraine to her fate now that hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian men have been butchered in a war that could have been avoided. Israel’s back at the top of our list again.
The media is slowly starting to run stories edging the American normie to accept a negotiated peace, just as the media convinced normies six months ago that Ukraine was totally going to win this thing once the summer counter-offensive kicked off!
With the world’s attention squarely fixed on the Israel-Gaza war — while baseless hope for a Ukrainian expulsion of the Russian army has evaporated — US and European officials have started quietly conferring with Ukraine on potential concessions that could bring the war to an end, NBC News was first to report Friday evening.
These discussions aren’t about a new counteroffensive — they’re about what concessions Ukraine could live with pursuant to a peace agreement. Some of the conversations, which officials describe as delicate, happened during an October meeting of the Ukraine Defense Contact Group, an affiliation of more than 50 governments siding with Ukraine.
In eyebrow-raising comments to the The Economist this week, Ukraine’s top commander admitted there will be no breakthrough and the battlefield situation is in a stalemate. The New York Times characterized his remarks as “the first time a top Ukrainian commander said the fighting had reached an impasse.”
In September, the Times itself splashed cold water on anyone who still believed Ukraine had any hope of pushing the Russian army out of eastern and southeastern Ukraine, much less Crimea. Its detailed analysis found that, in the wake of a Ukrainian counteroffensive, “Russia now controls nearly 200 square miles more territory in Ukraine compared with the start of the year.”
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/game-over-us-european-officials-quietly-nudge-ukraine-seek-peace
This map tells the tale:
Russia never intended to “conquer” Ukraine and is close to achieving everything they set out to do while exposing the West as a paper tiger. Having failed to budge the Russians from the ground they have already taken, and with Russia actually having gained more territory, plus winter looming, it doesn’t seem likely there is a way forward that sees Ukraine regaining lost territory. Simplicius has a solid overview of the situation although one must take his posts with a grain of skeptical salt as he isn’t a neutral observer of course: Western Officials Increasingly Pushing “Peace Talks” + War Updates
The looting has started in earnest with officials stealing everything that is not nailed down and even Fox News is now pointing this out, having shifted to “All Jews, All The Time” in support of Israel’s genocidal attacks on Gazan civilians.
Two presidential advisers claimed Reznikov had not been personally involved, “But he failed to keep order within his ministry,” one said, noting the ministry had been over-paying for critical supplies, including eggs
“Don’t buy anything. Don’t take any vacations. Just sit at your desk, be quiet, and work,” one staffer said, summarizing how officials had been warned to not only avoid corruption, but even the appearance of personal enrichment.
“Amid all the pressure to root out corruption, I assumed, perhaps naively, that officials in Ukraine would think twice before taking a bribe or pocketing state funds. But when I made this point to a top presidential adviser in early October, he asked me to turn off my audio recorder, so he could speak more freely,” Shuster wrote.
“Simon, you’re mistaken,” an aide said. “People are stealing like there’s no tomorrow.””
https://archive.vn/XTfZE
Who could have seen this coming, the most corrupt nation in Europe receiving a firehose of money and armaments with absolutely no checks and balances? Almost like it was a huge grift from the start…
What happens now?
I can see a few possible scenarios.
The most likely is some sort of negotiated peace where Russia keeps everything they have taken and Ukraine is offered some sort of mild face-saving token. As part of the deal I assume Ukraine would need to be banned from joining NATO and become a neutral buffer zone between Russia and NATO. In short the end result will be pretty much what it would have been if a deal had been struck prior to the Russian invasion, only without the gutting of the military aged population of Ukraine.
Perhaps the Ukrainian forces completely collapse and/or revolt. They are not happy campers, who would be when they are charging fixed Russian positions and being blown up by mines, drones and artillery. Morale is reportedly crap and they are running out of men to throw into the meatgrinder. I am not sure what Russia would do in that scenario, I don’t think they would march on Kiev but who knows what Putin might do.
Another possible scenario, one I wouldn’t mind seeing, is a popular revolt bolstered by a military coup to depose Zelenskyy, hopefully ending with a show trial and gibbet. I suspect Zelenskyy has an escape plan already in place and with a little warning would be out of the country and headed to Miami or somewhere else his fellow Tribesman like to hang out with ill-gotten gains. You have to know that he has a huge treasure trove stashed away in Switzerland or the Cayman Islands (probably both and then some) and that he has trusted special police that can spirit him away, assuming someone in the Russian intelligence field hasn’t turned them already.
However it ends, it is ending pretty soon. Another senseless slaughter of Whites egged on by globalist elites for Their own profit, bloodlust and amusement. Pretty much just like World War I and II, just on a smaller scale, and those two wars not only slaughtered young Whites by the millions, they also sapped the will and spirit of the European people, at least in the West.
Never forget what They have done, what They have brought upon our people. May the reckoning come soon and be merciless.
WTF….
https://twitter.com/djuric_zlatko/status/1721203310974107926
“Russia …. is close to achieving everything they set out to do ” You sure about that? I seem to remember they “set out” to storm Kiev after their intelligence services on the inside, had arranged for the quick collapse of Ukr civil authority. Instead, it ended up as a costly, chaotic retreat — many of the tank crews leaving their out-of-fuel vehicles and hoofing it back to Russia. And then they spent an entire winter and 10K+ (probably) KIA taking an insignificant city (Bahkmut) – and had to use a private military company to do so since their regular forces were not up to the task.
Point is – not cheering for one side or the other – but, if there are any honest military analysts in Russia (I think they have emerged recently in the face of this near-catastrophe), they have got to be in utter shock at the poor performance of their forces (improving last 8 months when they were defending gains).
But I am 100% with you on “Whites [slavs] egged on by globalist elites” That’s the big picture.
“Putin was playing 5d chess” dontcha know. But really, there is no way to spin that failed assault on Kiev. I think Putin was fed some bullshit by his people that it was going to be easy, he acted accordingly, and changed course when it became apparent that their initial strategy was wrong.
So it’s altogether likely that this war was like most every other war in history, that it wouldn’t have been fought if there hadn’t been at least one side that thought it was going to be easy. In this particular war I think both sides thought so.
Excellent point – miscalculation in the lead up to hostilities decision making. It has been said that if adversaries had perfect knowledge (as to outcomes) there would no wars. In this case, it was probably the Russian Fed that assumed it was going to be a roll over. US evacuated the embassy and was telling people no way that Ukr could resist effective; sometimes I wonder if that was a bit of 5d going on – i.e. enticing Russian troops into a trap.
You are living in a fantasy world…There is massive photographic and on-site reporting of the Ukrainian debacle, in which Russia, with far fewer soldiers on the battlefield, is killing their soldiers and destroying their equipment at long range, with relatively few casualties…Ukraine’s KIA are in the 500k+ range already..
And those photos early on of Russian pilots with consumer grade Garmin GPS equipment taped up in their cockpits? – Fantasy world? Before someone said Duh! – guess we better blur those cockpit vids!
For nearly 80 years western Euro nations were quaking in their boots with visions of Russian tank formations sweeping across the continent from the east. Reality was Wagner PMC and mostly prisoner cannon fodder taking an entire winter to capture a mid-sized city at very high costs on both sides.
Russia will prevail in some degree; but we live in a very different world post SMO. And that’s not even trying to factor in the new Globalist reality.
Again – I am not a USA! USA! type. Q2 21 Century land battlefields are ghastly high attrition spaces. I shudder to think of the outcome if the US Army – even the Marines – gives it a go again.
“Russia… is close to achieving everything they set out to do”
I’m still not sure what that was. The stated aims were in Putin’s SMO speech:
Protecting people in Donbas- many of the places being shelled and fought over for years before the war are still being fought over now. Not the regions, but many of the same towns.
Demilitarise- hasn’t happened, only would happen if we did it to them
Denazify- we all know this is bullshit
bring to trial those who perpetrated numerous bloody crimes against civilians- it’s possible I guess if any are still alive?
Maybe they had unstated goals that are fulfilled. To me it looks like the goals are the same for both sides, make oligarchs/MICs richer, and kill White people. But I say that for everything.
Another potential scenario that still exists is Russia saying “screw you and your peace negotiations” and prosecuting this war to a conclusion it prefers, and then opening negotiations at that time from a more dominant position. With the ability of the GAE to counter perhaps being hampered by other “distractions” here and there.
Russia will not make any deals with the liars and crooks in NATO or the Ukrainians..It will take the entire Ukraine bordering the Black Sea and enough of the rest to leave Ukraine a rump State..It will then demilitarize it and install a very friendly government, get rid of the (((Oligarchs) and reinstate the trade deals…All of which will be greatly to the benefit of the Ukrainian population…
Ja, in a comment on Moon of Alabama I advocated that now is the time for Russia to establish “facts on the ground” – like you recommend – to roll up the entire Black Sea coastline all of the way to Odessa (no more horseshit with attacks on Crimea or the bridge connecting across the Kerch Straits), and then beyond to link up to Trans-Nistria to put a kibosh on any foolishness from Moldova or Romania, and also roll up Kharkov and any other historically Russian parts of The Borderlands (there is a lot of that what with how the Communists played games slapping together The Borderlands post Russian Civil War). Let the Galicians gnash their teeth, they’ve got it coming.
I thought the Trump broker a peace deal thing was fake news but no.
The photo of Ziolensky and wifey at a long white desk with piles of cash may not be a photochop either.
Uncle Sucker as the foreigners call AINO gets laughed at every day under CPUSA (D) Obrandon who will burn it all down the best.
So cute how the burn it all down brigades still think it is 1946 after they have Long Marched through everything or do they?
Satanic-Marxist distorted lens ideologues probably can’t entertain two thoughts at once.
Not Sure but Dwayne Alizondo Mt. Dew Camacho is just a character in a movie.
You think this is bad, just wait until Bathhouse Barry’s fourth term.
Arthur, general Aesop won’t be happy with this post.
He’ll call you a dumb mid westerner.
He will expound on his certain knowledge that the Russians already have lost and any day the Ukrainians will expel the Russians. Then march on to Moscow.
I agree with Jeffery Zoar and Pyrrus – Russia is past the point where they are interested in “Negotiations” of any kind. They have repeatedly pointed out that (((the west))) is “Agreement Incapable”. Proff of that was the admission by more than one ‘Eurocrat’ politician that they had used the “Minsk Agreement” as a Ploy to gain Time to Arm Up against Russia. They have No Reason Whatsoever to “Negotiate”, and any offer to do so by (((zelenskyy))) wil be met by a simple List of Demands – that neither Ukronazistan nor ZATO will be even Able to comply with.
So Unfortunately, the Special Military Operation will continue, at a pace set by the Russian General Staff. It’s main Goal, the “De-nazification” of the Ukraine will necessarily require Russian Tanks up to the Polish Border, for without a Complete ‘occupation’ of the Ukraine, any part of it that Remains will continue to harbor Nazi/ZATO Forces that will act against Russia.
I expect that Russia does not really want to have the responsibility to provide welfare to the Ukrainians. They are protecting their people in the separatist provinces, and their geopolitical interests in Crimea and the Black Sea.
They are also doing what they can to shore up defenses against the ever-present NATO expansion.
Interestingly, we may see the end of NATO in the next year. NATO has failed in the Ukraine. The NATO-backed Ukrainian army was the strongest army in Europe and it folded like a newspaper. NATO solidarity has been undermined by both the pipeline destruction and the relentless immigration that has damaged the economies of so many NATO mainstays.
And now, NATO nations are sending troops to support Israel, a non-NATO member, in the face of clear signals that Turkey, a NATO member, will not tolerate a genocide in Gaza. So…when Israel attacks Turkey…or Turkey attacks Israel…what happens to the mutual defense pacts?
On top of which, President Trump has made it clear that the member countries of NATO are certainly not paying their fair share.
So NATO is screwed and pretty much over with. They’ve even run out of armaments.
And if what I have written has not convinced you, then tell me this…
How will China (and Russia) react if somehow Japan is brought into NATO, as has been discussed in the recent months?
I think the bottom line is that either NATO and all its members back down, NATO collapses, or there is nuclear war.
The Russians don’t want western Ukraine. They want the majority Russian speaking areas, which are the areas they have already taken plus the coastline all the way to Odessa. Once that is achieved, they’re happy.
Surprising no one: Zelenskyy rules out elections while Ukraine-Russia war drags on.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has said that elections in the war-torn country will not take place while its battle with Russia’s invasion grinds on.
Zelenskyy said in a speech on Monday that elections under current conditions would be “absolutely irresponsible” and only serve to benefit Russia.
“Now is not the time for elections,” Zelenskyy said, according to Euronews.
Looks like we ran out of Ukrainians.